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Cam Gibb's avatar

Ya. Sigh. I feel very sad for them. It seems like with pre-WW2 time of Germany taking over & attempting to take over more & more lands, it will take Europe, it's EU, to help more defend Ukraine even with troops, as a clear future threat to Europe. Ukraine has been approved as member of EU & NATO. So it seems not inappropriate for EU Members (including Britain, to send troops & hardware. Then, like the somewhat delayed involvement of U.S. over there for WW2, after it had already been shipping help to Britain, it was reluctant then too to commit lives defending peace, freedom, prosperity elsewhere, it was struggling from effects of WW1 & Great Depression era of the 30's following the "roaring 20's", of excessive spending, debt, bank losses, inflation, etc. Odd indeed how again the old saying "history tends to repeat itself" it some ways. Once Britain & Europe come under any kinds of attacks from RUSSIA, the U.S. & it's allies will get involved like in WW2. So yes. indeed, it seems RUSSIA is forcing WW3 upon the world. Will it be the dreaded exchange of Nukes. maybe a few but not likely much more then that because neither side wants to get in to a tit for that with those weapons. Clearly a "no win" for anyone then & long term you know what the results could be like. Kind of like when an animal roars, growls, barks at ya. If it thinks you're scared in will keep after ya. If you stand your ground and bark back & move toward it, it gets uncertain & if it doesn't see itself as too big & unlikely to get hurt much, they usually move away. 🤔🤷‍♂️😡😲🤔🕊️ So try to not fear the worst but hope more will be done to speed an end to this suffering crime there. With that big bad bear.

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The question of whether to accept a ceasfire or not is a Ukrainian question. It must be answered by the democratically elected Ukrainian government. Whatever Zelensky says of course he and his cabinet probably do assess such scenarioes. And its their decision. Should they go for some kind of ceasefire/peace Solution that involves land for peace then ok. I will accept that of course, how could I not? However to push for such a solution, like you are doing now I think is wrong. First of all because it reduces Ukraines negitiating position, if Russia believes Western support for military action dissapears they also will want to get away with more. Based on your own writing there is no end to the Russian greed. If they think can get away with more than they have now, well they will want that. Second, there are a lot of details that need to be agreed upon that you ignore. One is the exact new borders, maybe Crimea is Russian now, but what about Donbas? Where exactly should the borders go? And further security. Should Ukraine after ceding become a member of NATO? Could that go into a deal? And what about the population in the new Russian territoriets, should they be allowed to move or forced to stay? Yes, all these questions can be negotiated. But I personally would be very careful in recommending Ukraine to entre such a deal. Maybe the war is unwinable for Ukraine, but Russia needs to draw that conclusion as well. When both players are on that page they can negotiate. But currently Russia isnt there. And, btw have they asked? Regarding my own willingness, that is a moot question. I try to support Ukraine through my government and at a personal level. I think that is the most useful support.

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